Friday, January 18, 2008

Where's the Beef?

Call the police and have me arrested, 'cause I've stolen another post. Mary Ellen, at The Divine Democrat, posted this almost a week ago, but with my flu I've not kept up very well with my blog reading. So, on the eve of the next wave of caucuses and primaries it's time to take another look at the leading candidates on the Democratic side. As you watch these ask yourself a very important question ... where's the beef?


Any beef here? Just askin' ...


I think we've found it!

And who says the Senator from New York isn't likeable? Not these folks!

9 comments:

John J. said...

I'm not sure I understand your "Where's the beef?" question. I believe I have been outlining very clearly the candidates various policy plans. Just because Obama's campaign ad was designed to be inspiring and show that nay-sayers haven't stopped him from success doesn't mean he is without an economic plan.

Clinton does have a good economic plan; I intend to compare hers, Edwards's, and Obama's in the next couple days as my next post. But trying to say Obama doesn't have one just because of one ad is just a lie.

Anonymous said...

john j,
Obama does not have an economic plan. He might have an idea or two, but he has no plan. No budget based on revenues and expenses. Meanwhile, he's shown no grasp of economic realities, which puts him in the same state as Hillary.

John J. said...

@Anonymous:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/middleclass/
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=2730


These plans both have specific action points. They don't have 2009 budgets posted, if that's what you were looking for, but they both have specific plans.

BAC said...

John - during the last debate much of what I heard come out of Obama's mouth sounded very familiar ... because Sen. Clinton had been saying it for months! He has adopted many of her talking points, trying now to make them his own.

Even his "yes we can" chant comes from Clinton's outreach director to the Latino community, Dolores Huerta. Dolores, one of the founders of the United Farm workers, has used that chant as her mantra for decades now -- and brought it to her work on the Clinton campaign.

Given Obama's knowledge of Ronald Reagan, it makes me wonder if he has ever heard of Dolores Huerta?

Clinton is so clearly the person we need right now, to get the job done.


BAC

John J. said...

As I have been doing research on the candidates' websites, I've noticed that most of their plans are very similar. Each also expands in areas that the other doesn't focus as much on. As far as I can tell, these policy plans haven't changed significantly in the past 6 - 12 months.

I believe the "Yes we can" chant actually comes as a counter to what Richardson said during the most recent New Hampshire debate and from other instances of people, particularly in the media, saying Obama couldn't do some of the things that have been happening. "Yes we can" is a pretty simple phrase, I don't think it can be really claimed by any one movement.

I would not be surprised to find that all of the candidates have been incorporating parts of other candidates positions in their own. The ones that do this, and I have seen it in all the Democratic candidates, show that they are willing to listen to good ideas, no matter who presents them.

I appreciate your position on Clinton, and I too hope that she would be able to get these things done if she is elected president. I just ask that if you are talking about the other candidates, that you are honest and fair in your assessments of them.

BAC said...

John - I believe I have been. The latest video above from Obama, further makes me question if he is ready to lead at this time. He is clearly not remembering history the same way that I, or a lot of other Democrats, do.

The only "ideas" that Republicans have had over the last 10-25 years is how to rob from the middle class and the poor to benefit the wealthy. Newt's Contract ON America pretty much spelled it out.

What I don't understand is why would a Democratic candidate want to wrap himself in Republican talking points? Does he think this is going to help him should he win the nomination? I can hear it now -- "Obama says Republicans the party of ideas, so elect us now!"


BAC

John J. said...

What Republican talking points?! Where has he said that Republicans are the party of ideas? The video you showed here is of him saying that people can make a difference.

If you are still talking about his comment on Reagan from that Nevada newspaper interview, he was specifically talking about Reagan's campaign in 1980, which, from what I understand, was run on a message of change driven by the people, which caused a significant number of Democrats to vote for him. I'm sorry he brought up the name; I agree it was a bad idea. But he isn't running as the new Reagan, and he definitely isn't saying that the Republicans are the party of ideas.

BAC said...

John - Please see the video above under "Obama gets it wrong again." What was he thinking when he made both of these comments? Is he trying to distance himself from Democratic women my age? If so, he's doing an excellent job of that.


BAC

Anonymous said...

Clearly the majority of white female voters are voting for Hillary, and clearly the overwhelming majority of blacks are voting for Obama.

The nominating process is nothing more than a race of "identities."

Therefore, predicting the outcome is easy. Hillary will get the nomination because blacks are outnumbered.