"Could you see yourself working to support Hillary Clinton if she gets the nomination?
Answer: "I would have to think about that. I would have to think about policies, her approach, her tone. . ."
So, Michelle Obama might not support Hillary Clinton? Who would she support? The Republican? Nader? Inquiring minds want to know.
And this should send a chill down the spine of anyone who thinks the Republican slime machine is going to sing kumba ya with the Obama camp, should he become the nominee.
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Thank you for putting up that video of Michelle Obama. As much as it pains me to even look at that witch, she always comes through and shows her true nature. Her husband made the same type of comment when he said that if Hillary lost, her voters would support him in the national election, but if he lost, his supporters wouldn't go to Hillary. He sent a clear message that no matter if it meant getting a Democrat in the White House, he'd rather have his supporters NOT support Hillary.
They are both hypocrites. Michelle has made remarks about Bill and Hillary's marriage on more than one account, in fact, in that interview she made a remark about Hillary not being able to control her husband. I've never heard Bill or Hillary make remarks about Michelle Obama or even personal remarks about Barack...they do it on a regular basis and get away with it.
Everytime I see that woman, I want to scream. The thought of her as our first lady makes me ill.
That last video was disturbing.
The Cult of Personality.
I'm convinced he's an Undercover Wingnut.
If Bill Clinton had said that, the Obama fans would be out in droves. This is one reason why I fucking hate politics. I want my magical über-progressive candidate, where are you, figment of my imagination!
And hey fairlane, Living Colour was/is a great band.
It was a stupid comment on Michelle Obama's part. She deserves to be pressed on it. I'm not sure it's much more than that.
The second video is interesting. I don't doubt that some Obama supporters are mainly drawn by his charisma, but this is Frank Luntz and Fox News, after all.
Mary Ellen, do you happen to remember when and where you heard that? Was it when Edwards was still in, or recently? Just curious.
The L.A. debate was certainly pretty lovey-dovey, and it was nice to see them not raise to Blitzer's bait. I can't see many of the Democratic rank and file voting Republican or 3rd party, regardless of who the nominee is.
Umm, make that "rise to Blitzer's bait." Jeez. Long night...
batocchio- Here is the video. It was before Edwards dropped out. There was another remark similar to that which was made recently, I'll continue to look for it for you.
It's a shame the media doesn't call them on this stuff. If Hillary said anything like Michelle did in that video, she would be hung out to dry and called a racist.
Ooops....I forgot to hot link the video, batocchio. Here it is.
Thanks, Mary Ellen! I remember that one from Michelle. It was pretty bad - a real right-wing talking point. I do remember her getting some coverage from the press, and certainly heat from at least some liberal blogs, over that one.
Let me know if you find the Obama one.
(Personally, I have concerns about both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, but I want to criticize them fairly, and I don't like unfair attacks on either of them.)
To take these on in reverse order:
BAC, are you honestly echoing back Republican smears from Faux News?! You are honestly accepting the words of a hand picked Faux News panel as a judgment of Obama?! No one has said that the Republican, right-wing, nut-job media conglomerates will support Obama were he nominated by the Democrats. It is a FACT that time and again Republicans are voting for Obama and, at least vocally, supporting him.
On the first video, let me just ask you the same question. Would a working mother of two, who has seen her husband's name drawn through the mud with lies and racial slurs, go out and work for the same person that did that? The question was not whether Michelle Obama would support Clinton, but whether she would work for Clinton.
@Mary Ellen: Will you stop spreading your already disproven lies? A) Barack Obama has said that he doesn't believe that all of his supporters will support Hillary. The supporters he is talking about in that statement are the Republicans that have come out in support of him and independents, most of which have said in poll after poll that they will support McCain over Clinton. Many of Clinton's supporters are Democrat establishment and other staunch Democrats; these are the ones he is saying will support him.
As for your remarks about former Michelle Obama comments, you are (as I previously pointed out to you) mis-remembering and mis-interpreting a comment of hers (that she apologized for) and mixing it in with some things the pundit-ocracy said during Bill Clinton's "racist rant" before South Carolina.
@Randal: If Bill Clinton said that he, a former Democratic president, would not work for the Democratic presidential nominee, the entire Democratic establishment would be out in droves.
Batocchio, this quote is being taken out of context. She was not, at any point, talking about Sen. Clinton. She was asked about herself and her family. After seeing this quote taken out of context like this, she apologized and has not said it again.
John - on more than one occassion Barack Obama has said that Hillary's supporters would vote for him, but that he's not so sure his supporters would vote for her. HILLARY is saying HER supporters will vote for WHOEVER the Democrats nominate. Why isn't Obama urging his supporters to do the same thing? Why is he appearing to threaten the party with 'nominate me, or you lose the college kids'?
Michelle Obama's comment in this clip is more of the same bullshit.
The bottom line is do they support their party, or do they only support themselves?
As for the focus group, I found it odd that no one in a group of self-identified Obama supporters could name one thing the man has accomplished.
My point here John is that SHOULD Obama become the nominee his kumba ya message will work for about a nano-second before the Republican slime machine kicks into gear ...
BAC
Let me repeat. Many of Clinton's supporters are Democratic establishment. They will support whoever the Democrats nominate. Many of Obama's supporters are disaffected Republicans and independants. He can't promise that they will vote for Clinton, many of them have said that the won't. Would you prefer that he lies? This is one of the strong points of his candidacy that he has a larger wide spread appeal that Clinton does.
As for the focus group, it was a hand pick Faux News group of supposed Obama supporters. Are you honestly believing that they are giving a fair and balanced view of Obama supporters?! You are a very intelligent person, don't try to act stupid about this.
As for the Republican slime machine, I would like to see them do better than the Rovian Clinton slime machine Obama has already dealt with. The Clintons are the strongest, bare knuckle fighters that the Democratic party has, and Obama has been able to answer every attack honestly and openly only rarely being drawn off message. I think they, on their own, have shown that Obama can stand up to whatever the Republicans can throw at them.
I want Obama to support his party. He's not showing any leadership with the comments he's been making. What he SHOULD be saying is "I will do all I can to get my supporters to back WHOEVER is the Democratic nominee" ... HE'S NOT saying that, and THAT is a BIG problem. You're willingness to give him a pass on every blunder he's made in this campaign is staggering. No wonder he is doing so well.
I will let the supporter video speak for itself.
And Obama has not answered the questions put to him. He has managed to dodge and weave, because no one is MAKING him answer them. Everything Hillary Clinton has said about Obama is fact -- and so far he has not said anything that would lead people to believe otherwise.
My fear is that Obama will fold like a cheap suit when faced with the slime that will come his way should he win the nomination.
BAC
He has said that HE will support the nominee, even if it is Clinton (language is mine). He has said that he doesn't think that the Republican and independent supporters of his, many of whom are strongly anti-Clinton, will vote for Clinton just because she is the Democratic nominee, especially not if she were running against McCain - someone with very strong independent appeal. Now you can make the argument that you would prefer him to lie, but I would prefer an honest commander in chief.
What questions have been placed to Obama that you feel have not been answered? I will bet you money that anything relevant to the campaign has been answered and either ignored by Clinton supporters, or worse, completely ignored by the media since it doesn't fit their narrative.
Many things Clinton has said, or allowed to be implied (in her presence), about Obama are at the very least dangerously (Rovian?) misleading, or completely false. If you like, I will recite the litany of bs, but it is better summed up in a recent Lawrence Lessig video.
And I have not given him a pass on every "blunder" this campaign. I have defended him against the lies that I have seen numerous times, but I have also, on your blog and mine, spoken out against his statements and positions I disagree with. In fact, the first time you brought up this comment of his, I agreed that he shouldn't have said it. That doesn't, however, make it any less true.
John - don't make misleading comments about me, please. What would make you think I want Obama to "lie"? There is NOTHING in what I've said that implies that. What I HAVE said is that I wish he would say he would urge his supporters to vote for Clinton, should she become the nominee. To date, he has not indicated he would do that.
Am I suggesting he can "guarantee" they would? Hell no, but they certainly won't if HE DOESN'T EVEN ASK.
BAC
Obama has said he will support Clinton if she is the nominee, as has his wife. What he is doing with these statements showing his reach and countering the electability argument.
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